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MotF 149: Renasci by Upvoteanthology MotF 149: Renasci by Upvoteanthology
Here's a surviving WRE scenario! It's probably more ASB than the majority of my scenarios, which is saying something! Please excuse the bad writing, I was kinda distracted when I wrote it. Anyway, I really hope you enjoy, I'm pretty proud of this one!

PoD: Fritigern, general of the Thervingi Goth tribe, dies at the start of the Battle of Adrianople, leading to a decisive Roman victory in both the battle and the war.

Scenario: After winning the Gothic War, Rome found itself facing an even larger foe; the Huns. After Attila ravaged the Goths, they began to move towards the Roman border. However, a stronger Roman Empire with a larger army was able to hold themselves together a bit better, meaning that the Huns weren't able to advance into Rome itself. Even so, the Roman Empire was cursed to fend off invaders for hundreds of years, even after the division of Rome into two by Emperor Constantine. The Goths moved to invade again, followed by the Frisians, followed by the Celts. By the end of the 6th century, they pushed the WRE back to the Alps. Moors invaded Hispania and Persians invaded Anatolia, leading to the temporary fall of the Eastern Roman Empire in 701. By the mid-700's, the majority of the Roman army fortified the city of Rome itself, with some legions marching away to defend newly-founded cities like Quiricum and Tatiana. Rome became known as a backwater, and with tribes beginning to use Latin technology for themselves, there was less reason for them to invade every day.

By the 900's, while the WRE itself may have been very backwards, Latin culture penetrated most of everything in Western Europe. Latin became the lingua franca, and kingdoms like Andicaffyd spoke dialects of the language in their everyday lives. There wasn't much of a dark age, as technology from the Roman era was still widely in use. In Eastern Europe, things were a different story. The Eastern Roman Empire was described as having been doomed from the start. With Rome essentially destroyed by the 500's, Constantinople became the hot place to be, leading to invasions from Illyrians, Persians, Scythians, and Kurds. The ERE had destroyed itself due to cultural infighting by the end of the 7th century. They did end up reforming themselves as the "Latin Empire", but it lasted as a pariah until it was put out of its misery in 1155. By the 1200's, the land of Achaiddium (America) was discovered, and countries with Latin-influence colonized up a storm. But alas, the WRE wasn't able to send out many sailors, as they only had access to the Mediterranean.

But, to most of Europe's surprise, Rome made a comeback. In 1306, they bought out the port of Mallaria, and started gold-mining colonies on the island of Chrysosiae (Trinidad). Two centuries later, they restarted political relations with the now-organized countries in Hispania, Gaul, and Brittania, and started to trade. Once again, Rome became a revered city on the continent due to the wealth they received from gold, the cultural influences they had on Europe, and the military rule that had worked for a thousand years. The first military conquest by Rome since the 1200's was against the city of Massilia, which was a success. The second was against principalities in Rhaetia, which also worked out pretty well. A third conquest lead to the defeat of Gallia. A fourth conquest was attempted against Gotenaeca, which ended in a stalemate. But, seeing the writing on the wall, Andicaffyd joined the WRE peacefully, becoming the province of Andicavia. The same occurred with Hispania, who hadn't joined the colonization of Achaiddium and had a very weak economy because of it. Finally, in the year 1930, Rome rebranded itself as what was essentially an international union of Latin-speaking countries. They released Rhaetia and Gallia from military rule, and declared that each province would have a separate capitol. They made alliances with the rich Lusitania, the powerful Baetica, the neighboring Dalmatia, and the Celtic Dumnonia, scheduling unions which were finalized by 1970. By 2017, or 2770 AUC, the WRE is a liberal alt-EU, with Latin-speaking Celts, Germans, and Romans all loosely united in the goal of creating a united cultural empire.
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bruiser128 Featured By Owner May 27, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Interesting timeline
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ObscuriumMaps Featured By Owner May 27, 2017  New Deviant
Really good map!
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DanielHasenbos Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Great map! 
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Jerry7119 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2017
Why should a comeback Rome give up their corn-chambers in North Africa?
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CoryCA Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Props for choosing a surviving *Western* Roman Empire rather than just the Eastern or whole thing as most do. I would love to see some of the interim maps along this timeline. :-)
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! Maybe I'll do that. :)
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WhippetWild Featured By Owner Edited Feb 4, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This would be a totally great footballing nation.
Or they may compete as sepeartere nations like Britain does with, England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales.
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
World Footballing Championship: The Western Roman Empire vs the Sinican Empire :P I can see it already.
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WhippetWild Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh yes indeed.
And since it contains, France, Spain, Italy and Portugal, all previous European Footballing champions and 3 out of 4 are World Footballing champions, it would be a very strong team.

*separate.

Where would Sinican Empire be located?
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
China, presumably. I mean, Rome and China were the two largest civilizations in the first century, why not have them battle it out through sport in the 21st? :P
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WhippetWild Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That is fine with me.
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grisador Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2017
Eastern Roman Empire no more ?
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nope, but there is a separate Graecian Empire now!
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grisador Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2017
Nice :D
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matritum Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome map and scenario!!! :) (Smile) 
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you so much!
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SirKokosnuss Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2017
Epic!
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2017
Beautiful! On what have u based the density, by feeling or using modern density and project it to the past?
I´d love to do such a map sooner or later too^^
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I based it off a real map, which I was think was from 1950 or so. The map itself only really helped me with the colors though, and the base regions where I drew the population lines. Like, it helped to know where the least dense areas were, since obviously it'd be a place that doesn't really support massive cities. After I did that, I made sure to put the biggest cities in the densest areas I drew, and came up with numbers for each color similar to the ones on the map but a little bit higher, since Europe wasn't as incredibly murderous as IOTL. Hopefully that made some sense!
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2017
Oh yes that´s a great info thanks a lot!
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2017
very interesting! ^^
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QuantumBranching Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017
Very creative! Two big thumbs up.
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Sapiento Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Great map and scenario.
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you! :)
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Gregxter Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
WOW!
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017
This looks pretty well done! Sorta reminds me a little bit of my own surviving WRE scenario, though that one has the WRE become a Francophone Roman Empire.

Though it's interesting how the Latin here didn't evolve into, say, Italian.
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True, I figure it diverged, just in a different and more unified way. Kinda like how, even though there were tons of states in the HRE, German didn't really split off into hundreds of different languages.
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DragonStrider Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
No Bulgars? Come oooon D:
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, I never said what was in Central Asia! :P
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DragonStrider Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
They settled south of the Danube too ya know.
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True, sorry if I didn't give Bulgarians enough representation. I'll be sure to include some sort of Bulgaria-wank in a future map if I can. :)
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DragonStrider Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks!
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zalezsky Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
fantastic
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:iconbadgingbadger:
1. Why did the moors end up rampaging ITTL just like OTL? Did islam still rise to prominence here, considering that the PoD is in the 4th century?
2. Who controls constantinople ITTL?
3. What's going on in the americas (excuse me, the achaiddiums)? Is there any dominant state implementing its own "monroe doctrine"?
4. And what about the asian far east?
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Edited Feb 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1. I think it was something that would have happened in both scenarios. I wasn't thinking of the OTL Moor invasion when I wrote it into the scenario, I just figured it would have been a logical thing to add, considering that other border groups moved into Rome ITTL at the same time. And no, there isn't any Islam, but I'd imagine there is some alternate form of it, maybe with a prophet in Egypt. :P
2. The Graecians.
3. There's a large Latin state around the Mississippi River (Nova Latium), some Celtic principalities in the north, native coalitions in the west, and various Sinican, African, and European colonies in the far south. And yeah, Nova Latium's definitely the most powerful, though you might want to look towards Kolhkhedat in Southern Achaddium, which was a former *Egyptian colony (I'd imagine some sort of gigantic Egypt in this universe) whose government closely resembles that of the US'.
4. Sinica (China) is HUGE. Meanwhile, Japan is divided into a few warring principalities, with a unified Japan never really becoming an idea in this universe. Sinica itself has kind-of the same thing, where a unified Chinese identity never really came to be, and instead it's almost some sort of alternate EU.

Also, sorry I take so long to get back to you, I like answering your questions I swear! :D
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2017
And oh, i forgot! How about India?
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:iconbadgingbadger:
Two more things...
1. How big is TTL's Egypt? Which territories does it control in order for it to possess colonies in *America?
2. How's Australia doing ITTL?
3. And what about Persia?
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2017
Aww, thanks!
i love your scenarios. Their universes beyond the map's borders tend to be very intriguing!
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you so much, that really means a lot to me! :D I have another two maps coming up tonight, so watch out for those I guess. :P

You did ask a question about the tech level, though, and to that I'd say it's probably a bit ahead of OTL, like maybe 30 years or so? But definitely not too much, it's been held back by an increase in war and all around badness.
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2017
Two maps? Oh, goodie! :)
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Upvoteanthology Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep, just posted them! :)
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691956 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017
I loved this!  Alternate histories are so fascinating, especially when people put as much thought behind them as you have.  The early discovery of America (excuse me, Achaiddium) and the resurgence of the Western Empire seem to have counteracted actual history's rise of the Islamic caliphate, leaving Europe with fewer worries about the ravages of the Turks and Saracens.  In that scenario, I'd suppose the Reformation never happened, since any religious dissent in the Empire could be dealt with quickly, without having to pussyfoot around thick-headed German princes. 
A strong and unified Europe coming out of the Middle Ages!  That sure avoids an awful lot of problems.  Thanks for this article and the wonderful map.  It gets a fellow's imagination going.
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